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Title: Some DNA updates interesting to those speculating about ancient Irish links
Posted by: Andrew Lancaster
Date: 30 May 2008

Hello everyone

I thought Niall and others would be interesting in a couple of updates worth drawing attention to:

1. I mentioned that the Livingstons of Kinderhook, NY do not seem to match the Clermont Livingstons. They do however match the so-called Ui Niall DNA signature (as do many Irish Dunleavys). Cautions:
a. I am not confident that anyone knows the real Ui Niall DNA signature, or even if it is meaningful to speak of a large Irish dynasty as if it were really only one paternal line. 
b. The DNA signature itself is very common in Northern Ireland, and not uncommon in Scotland. It is also clearly older than the Ui Niall, and not restricted to them.

2. Another thing about Irish Dunleavys is that many of them fit in a proposed cluster which people associate with southern Ireland. It was spotted by Ken Nordtvedt...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2006-03/1141583032
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2006-02/1140841784
Tim Desmond suggests that the surnames involved might link back to the Eoganacht.
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:i1eMYIaSn2EJ:mysite.verizon.net/timdesmond/files/dna_eoganacht.htm+%22south+irish%22+DNA+desmond&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&client=firefox-a

3. There is much talk of Dalriadic DNA, but it is relatively unusual in Ireland, and I think it is more accurate to call that particular DNA signature Scots, pure and simple. Our clan chiefs and many others have this pattern. It seems to be native to Scotland.

4. If anyone ever asks me whether we have evidence of a paternal line which looks Northern Irish and Western Scottish, it is Kyle's MacLeas, who came from Bute.

5. We seem to have a new MacLay family from Donegal, who does not match the McClays from Donegal. However, like them he is interestingly close to a Livingstone family.

Comments and questions welcome!

Regards
Andrew

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Some DNA updates interesting to those speculating about ancient Irish links30 May 2008Andrew Lancaster
   Some DNA updates interesting to those speculating about ancient Irish links02 June 2008Donald (Livingstone) Clink
      Some DNA updates interesting to those speculating about ancient Irish links05 June 2008Bachuil
         Some DNA updates interesting to those speculating about ancient Irish links05 June 2008Craig McClay Wilson

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