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Title: The Heraldic trappings of a Chief
Posted by: Young Bachuil
Date: 26 January 2006

Basically the terminology here is important; one is Chief of a Name, but Head of a Clan.  But as Grant and other have pointed out the use is fairly interchangeable.  Scots Law Times Issue 31: 15 October 2004 has details of the case.

My father, and his predecessors before him, have been acknowledged as the chiefs/heads of the Highland Livingstones (see Moncreiffe’s Highland Clans) - but had never been so recognised by Lyon.  

In seeking to regularise the situation we asked for recognition for our ancestor John who was the first McLea to use the alias Livingstone.  (John M’lea was born at Bachuil in 1745, married in 1771 and had a son Coll in 1773.  Yet when Coll’s birth was registered in the first extant volume of the Register of Births, etc. of Lismore in the years 1773 - 1775 John used the surname Livingstone of Bachuil and was recorded as the Baron of Bachuil.)

We had hoped that Lyon would use the two names on the basis that one was Gaelic, the other English.  This wasn’t accepted.  Therefore we had to choose whether to use McLea or Livingstone.  We have never claimed to be chiefs of the lowland Livingstons so clearly we could not seek recognition as Chief of the Name of Livingston.

To be recognised as Chief of the Name of McLea we would have had to change our name from Livingstone to McLea.  If we did, then all McLeas who had followed our suit and used Livingstone as the English form would be “disenfranchised”  - they would not be able to matriculate arms based on these “Livingstone” arms.

Therefore, we matriculated in the name Livingstone as Head of the highland Clan McLea.  

Lyon has inserted the word Highland as there are Macleas in Ayrshire that we have not had time to investigate.  

In Irish Pedigrees - The Stem of the Dunlevy family, Princes of Ulidia, it says Tuirmach_Teamrach, the 81st Monarch of Ireland had a son named Fiach-Fearmara, who was ancestor of the Kings of Argyle and Dalriada, in Scotland: this Fiach was also the ancestor of MacDunshleibe and O’Dunsleibhe, anglicised Dunlevy, Dunlief, Dunlop, Levingstone and Livingstone. ….According to Dr O’Donovan descendents of this family , soon after the English invasion of Ireland, passed into Scotland, where they changed their name.  This suggests that we are all related.

However, as Rob points out Lyon has made it absolutely crystal clear that Bachuil is a full three feather chief:


1 We have a Standard which, as in the case of chiefs, is parted in two per fess
2 We have a Pinsel which is given only to chiefs or very special chieftain-barons
3 We have a Pinsel with a Gold Buckle -Only full “three feather” chiefs have a gold buckle on their Pinsel 

Hope this clarifies the situation.

Regards

Niall

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